diff --git a/cinder/templates/bin/_ceph-keyring.sh.tpl b/cinder/templates/bin/_ceph-keyring.sh.tpl
index e1bd624bca..521a74848c 100644
--- a/cinder/templates/bin/_ceph-keyring.sh.tpl
+++ b/cinder/templates/bin/_ceph-keyring.sh.tpl
@@ -22,14 +22,11 @@ cat <<EOF > /etc/ceph/ceph.client.${RBD_USER}.keyring
     key = $(cat /tmp/client-keyring)
 EOF
 
-if [ -f "/tmp/external-ceph-client-keyring" ]; then
-  RBD_USER=cinder2
-  cat <<EOF2 > /etc/ceph/ceph.client.${RBD_USER}.keyring
-[client.${RBD_USER}]
+{{- if and .Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend .Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
+cat <<EOF > /etc/ceph/ceph.client.${EXTERNAL_RBD_USER}.keyring
+[client.${EXTERNAL_RBD_USER}]
     key = $(cat /tmp/external-ceph-client-keyring)
-EOF2
-
-fi
-
+EOF
+{{- end }}
 
 exit 0
diff --git a/cinder/templates/configmap-etc.yaml b/cinder/templates/configmap-etc.yaml
index 077e6f20e7..13ebcacf3e 100644
--- a/cinder/templates/configmap-etc.yaml
+++ b/cinder/templates/configmap-etc.yaml
@@ -137,4 +137,7 @@ data:
 {{- if .Values.backup.external_ceph_rbd.enabled }}
   external-backup-ceph.conf: {{ include "helm-toolkit.utils.to_ini" .Values.backup.external_ceph_rbd.conf | b64enc }}
 {{- end }}
+{{- if .Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend }}
+  external-ceph.conf: {{ include "helm-toolkit.utils.to_oslo_conf" .Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.conf | b64enc }}
+{{- end }}
 {{- end }}
diff --git a/cinder/templates/deployment-backup.yaml b/cinder/templates/deployment-backup.yaml
index 9b0c4b1386..62f3f20256 100755
--- a/cinder/templates/deployment-backup.yaml
+++ b/cinder/templates/deployment-backup.yaml
@@ -15,6 +15,8 @@ limitations under the License.
 {{- if .Values.manifests.deployment_backup }}
 {{- $envAll := . }}
 
+{{- $internal_ceph_backend := .Values.ceph_client.internal_ceph_backend }}
+
 {{- $mounts_cinder_backup := .Values.pod.mounts.cinder_backup.cinder_backup }}
 {{- $mounts_cinder_backup_init := .Values.pod.mounts.cinder_backup.init_container }}
 
@@ -78,6 +80,7 @@ spec:
         {{ end }}
         {{- range $name := rest (splitList "," (include "cinder.utils.ceph_backend_list" $envAll)) }}
           {{- $backend := index $envAll.Values.conf.backends $name }}
+            {{- if eq $internal_ceph_backend $name }}
         - name: ceph-keyring-placement-{{$name}}
 {{ tuple $envAll "cinder_backup" | include "helm-toolkit.snippets.image" | indent 10 }}
 {{ dict "envAll" $envAll "application" "cinder_backup" "container" "ceph_keyring_placement" | include "helm-toolkit.snippets.kubernetes_container_security_context" | indent 10 }}
@@ -86,6 +89,10 @@ spec:
           env:
             - name: RBD_USER
               value: {{ $backend.rbd_user | quote }}
+{{- if and $envAll.Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend $envAll.Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
+            - name: EXTERNAL_RBD_USER
+              value: {{ $envAll.Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user | quote }}
+{{- end }}
           volumeMounts:
             - name: pod-tmp
               mountPath: /tmp
@@ -99,6 +106,13 @@ spec:
               mountPath: /tmp/client-keyring
               subPath: key
               readOnly: true
+           {{- if and $envAll.Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend $envAll.Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
+            - name: external-ceph-keyring
+              mountPath: /tmp/external-ceph-client-keyring
+              subPath: key
+              readOnly: true
+            {{- end }}
+            {{- end }}
         {{- end }}
         {{- if (contains "cinder.backup.drivers.posix" .Values.conf.cinder.DEFAULT.backup_driver) }}
         - name: ceph-backup-volume-perms
@@ -181,6 +195,18 @@ spec:
               subPath: key
               readOnly: true
             {{- end }}
+            {{- if .Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend }}
+            - name: cinder-etc
+              mountPath: /etc/ceph/external-ceph.conf
+              subPath: external-ceph.conf
+              readOnly: true
+            {{- if .Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
+            - name: external-ceph-keyring
+              mountPath: /tmp/external-ceph-client-keyring
+              subPath: key
+              readOnly: true
+            {{- end }}
+            {{- end }}
             {{- end }}
             {{- if (contains "cinder.backup.drivers.posix" .Values.conf.cinder.DEFAULT.backup_driver) }}
             - name: cinder-backup
@@ -241,6 +267,11 @@ spec:
         - name: ceph-keyring
           secret:
             secretName: {{ .Values.secrets.rbd.volume | quote }}
+        {{- if and .Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend .Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
+        - name: external-ceph-keyring
+          secret:
+            secretName: {{ .Values.secrets.rbd.volume_external | quote }}
+        {{ end }}
         {{ end }}
         {{- if (contains "cinder.backup.drivers.posix" .Values.conf.cinder.DEFAULT.backup_driver) }}
         - name: cinder-backup
diff --git a/cinder/templates/deployment-volume.yaml b/cinder/templates/deployment-volume.yaml
index 8e96e0390c..ac51ac5b4d 100755
--- a/cinder/templates/deployment-volume.yaml
+++ b/cinder/templates/deployment-volume.yaml
@@ -69,6 +69,10 @@ spec:
           env:
             - name: RBD_USER
               value: {{ $backend.rbd_user | quote }}
+{{- if and $envAll.Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend $envAll.Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
+            - name: EXTERNAL_RBD_USER
+              value: {{ $envAll.Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user | quote }}
+{{- end }}
           volumeMounts:
             - name: pod-tmp
               mountPath: /tmp
@@ -82,7 +86,7 @@ spec:
               mountPath: /tmp/client-keyring
               subPath: key
               readOnly: true
-            {{- if $envAll.Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend }}
+            {{- if and $envAll.Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend $envAll.Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
             - name: external-ceph-keyring
               mountPath: /tmp/external-ceph-client-keyring
               subPath: key
@@ -176,16 +180,18 @@ spec:
               subPath: key
               readOnly: true
             {{- if .Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend }}
-            - name: external-ceph-etc
+            - name: cinder-etc
               mountPath: /etc/ceph/external-ceph.conf
-              subPath: ceph.conf
+              subPath: external-ceph.conf
               readOnly: true
+            {{- if .Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
             - name: external-ceph-keyring
               mountPath: /tmp/external-ceph-client-keyring
               subPath: key
               readOnly: true
             {{- end }}
             {{- end }}
+            {{- end }}
             {{- if eq ( split "://" .Values.conf.cinder.coordination.backend_url )._0 "file" }}
             - name: cinder-coordination
               mountPath: {{ ( split "://" .Values.conf.cinder.coordination.backend_url )._1 }}
@@ -259,14 +265,10 @@ spec:
         - name: ceph-keyring
           secret:
             secretName: {{ .Values.secrets.rbd.volume | quote }}
-        {{- if .Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend }}
-        - name: external-ceph-etc
-          configMap:
-            name: {{ .Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.configmap }}
-            defaultMode: 0444
+        {{- if and .Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend .Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
         - name: external-ceph-keyring
           secret:
-            secretName: {{ .Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.cinder_user_secret_name | quote }}
+            secretName: {{ .Values.secrets.rbd.volume_external | quote }}
         {{ end }}
         {{ end }}
         {{- if eq ( split "://" .Values.conf.cinder.coordination.backend_url )._0 "file" }}
diff --git a/cinder/templates/secret-external-ceph-keyring.yaml b/cinder/templates/secret-external-ceph-keyring.yaml
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..9cdd4af81c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/cinder/templates/secret-external-ceph-keyring.yaml
@@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
+{{/*
+This manifest results a secret being created which has the keyring information
+needed for cinder rbd user of external managed ceph backend
+*/}}
+
+{{- if and .Values.ceph_client.enable_external_ceph_backend .Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user }}
+
+{{- $envAll := . }}
+{{- $userClass := "volume_external" }}
+{{- $secretName := index $envAll.Values.secrets.rbd $userClass }}
+---
+apiVersion: v1
+kind: Secret
+metadata:
+  name: {{ $secretName }}
+type: Opaque
+data:
+  key: {{ $envAll.Values.ceph_client.external_ceph.rbd_user_keyring | b64enc }}
+...
+{{- end }}
diff --git a/cinder/values.yaml b/cinder/values.yaml
index e7c6b87078..ca4e26ee6e 100644
--- a/cinder/values.yaml
+++ b/cinder/values.yaml
@@ -385,9 +385,14 @@ ceph_client:
   configmap: ceph-etc
   user_secret_name: pvc-ceph-client-key
   external_ceph:
-    configmap: ceph-etc
-    cinder_user_secret_name: cinder-volume-rbd-keyring
-
+    # Only when enable_external_ceph_backend is true and rbd_user is NOT null
+    # secret for external ceph keyring will be created.
+    rbd_user: null
+    rbd_user_keyring: null
+    conf:
+      global:
+        mon_host: null
+      osd: null
 conf:
   paste:
     composite:osapi_volume:
@@ -1076,7 +1081,7 @@ backup:
     conf:
       global:
         mon_host: null
-      osd:
+      osd: null
   posix:
     volume:
       class_name: general
@@ -1229,6 +1234,7 @@ secrets:
   rbd:
     backup: cinder-backup-rbd-keyring
     volume: cinder-volume-rbd-keyring
+    volume_external: cinder-volume-external-rbd-keyring
   oslo_messaging:
     admin: cinder-rabbitmq-admin
     cinder: cinder-rabbitmq-user